µATX Overview: Prelude to a Roundup
by Gary Key on August 7, 2007 4:00 AM EST- Posted in
- Motherboards
Of Mice, Keyboards, and Enclosures
Input devices are one of the more interesting aspects of our roundup as the sheer amount of mice and keyboards available makes it virtually impossible to test every combination. Also, the very subjective nature of testing these devices leads us to always offer the advice of "try before you buy". We decided our best course of action was to select a few of the top selling products and then test their capabilities under Vista. What we found was quite surprising as several of the products proved to us that "Vista Certified" can in fact mean "Vista Disaster".
As an example, for our HTPC platform choice we decided a Bluetooth capable mouse/keyboard combination would offer the best compromise for the sofa users. This led us to the Microsoft Wireless Entertainment Desktop 7000 and Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5000 Laser Combo as our two choices, neither one being anything near inexpensive. What surprised us was the number of issues we had with the Logitech choice. Most of the issues centered on the Logitech having to use the Microsoft Bluetooth stack, but in our opinion there is no way this product should have received the Vista Certified label.
For our standard wireless combinations we selected the Logitech Cordless Desktop Comfort Laser, Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 3200 Laser, and the Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop 4000. Of course there are multitudes of different wireless keyboards and mice that can be combined together depending upon your likes or dislikes as a user. For simplicity we decided to go the package route - which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, as we will find out in our separate reviews.
Except for HTPC work, we really prefer the wired keyboards and mice with one of our favorite combinations being the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 or Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 paired with the Logitech MX-518 mouse. We like the MX-518 so much that most of our work desktops use it; it is just that good. As far as our gaming platform is concerned we will test the following keyboards: Razer Tarantula, Saitek Eclipse, and of course the Logitech G15. We will look at Creative's product lineup later on in the year. Our gaming mice consist of the Logitech G5, Razer DeathAdder, and the Razer Diamondback 3G. Unfortunately, we will have to wait a bit longer before the new Logitech G9 mouse arrives in the labs.
Power supplies are another area where the sheer number of choices and price ranges make it difficult to choose a product. Our thought process in choosing a power supply is to think about the power requirements of your current system and probably the next one or two systems you plan on building. Besides the monitor, the power supply is one of those items that can potentially last through a couple of system builds. We typically tailor our budget to afford the best possible power supply on the market at that time.
Considering our power requirements with the µATX platform are not going to be that great as CrossFire/SLI are out and typically the number of drives and peripherals will be limited by the small form factor, we believe something in the neighborhood of 380W to 480W should be acceptable for now and the near future. We also want a unit that is energy efficient and quiet so our logical choice is the SeaSonic S12 II 380W. We have not found a combination in our roundup testing yet that would cause us to seek a higher wattage unit. SeaSonic's own S12 II 430W would be the next logical choice but we felt like spending another $25 in this case was not worth it. There are numerous other choices that can made in this sector with Corsair, Enermax, SPI, FSP, and Antec all having good quality power supplies in this range.
We have just about covered the majority of components at this time which leads us to the final stretch. Knowing we are only utilizing the µATX form factor left us with several choices for cases and once again what is one man's garbage is another man's treasure in the hunt for case designs. We typically play it conservative so our choices reflect the decisions made - well almost. For our HTPC platform buildup we decided to break the budget and go with the Zalman HD160XT. Our gaming platform has two choices, the first being the Thermaltake LANBOX VF1000 for those who need a solid yet fairly inexpensive portable box. Our second choice and one that broke our budget again is the Silverstone SG03 SFF tower unit. We felt guilty about the additional credit card charges on our previous case choices so for our general desktop unit we went with the Ultra Products Micro Fly SX6 case with 600 Watt XVS-Series power supply. Our standard case during the motherboard testing phase was the Silverstone SG03 and we have to admit this is one of our favorite cases at the moment, regardless of form factor.
As an example, for our HTPC platform choice we decided a Bluetooth capable mouse/keyboard combination would offer the best compromise for the sofa users. This led us to the Microsoft Wireless Entertainment Desktop 7000 and Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5000 Laser Combo as our two choices, neither one being anything near inexpensive. What surprised us was the number of issues we had with the Logitech choice. Most of the issues centered on the Logitech having to use the Microsoft Bluetooth stack, but in our opinion there is no way this product should have received the Vista Certified label.
For our standard wireless combinations we selected the Logitech Cordless Desktop Comfort Laser, Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 3200 Laser, and the Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop 4000. Of course there are multitudes of different wireless keyboards and mice that can be combined together depending upon your likes or dislikes as a user. For simplicity we decided to go the package route - which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, as we will find out in our separate reviews.
Except for HTPC work, we really prefer the wired keyboards and mice with one of our favorite combinations being the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 or Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 paired with the Logitech MX-518 mouse. We like the MX-518 so much that most of our work desktops use it; it is just that good. As far as our gaming platform is concerned we will test the following keyboards: Razer Tarantula, Saitek Eclipse, and of course the Logitech G15. We will look at Creative's product lineup later on in the year. Our gaming mice consist of the Logitech G5, Razer DeathAdder, and the Razer Diamondback 3G. Unfortunately, we will have to wait a bit longer before the new Logitech G9 mouse arrives in the labs.
Considering our power requirements with the µATX platform are not going to be that great as CrossFire/SLI are out and typically the number of drives and peripherals will be limited by the small form factor, we believe something in the neighborhood of 380W to 480W should be acceptable for now and the near future. We also want a unit that is energy efficient and quiet so our logical choice is the SeaSonic S12 II 380W. We have not found a combination in our roundup testing yet that would cause us to seek a higher wattage unit. SeaSonic's own S12 II 430W would be the next logical choice but we felt like spending another $25 in this case was not worth it. There are numerous other choices that can made in this sector with Corsair, Enermax, SPI, FSP, and Antec all having good quality power supplies in this range.
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yyrkoon - Tuesday, August 7, 2007 - link
Well you see . . . I often take reviews from *any* review site with a grain of salt anyhow (personally). There are many reasons why, but one of the major reasons is that most reviewers only test a single board. I like to read user reviews from sites like newegg to get a broader 'idea' of how the board works in use, and potential problems that may crop up. Granted, you need to weed out the 'weenies' and their reviews to get at the heart of the matter. This is one factor why I choose ABIT boards, they have a very active forum, and if there are problems with a board, you can bet it will be plastered all over ABITs forums. That, and often times you can get your problem solved very quickly there, and I have seen Anandtech staff there helping ABIT make their boards the best they can be. However, I really do wish ABIT would do away with their current replacement policy, but I guess it is to be expected (replacing bad parts with remanufactuered/recertified parts, would be nice to get a new part, for a new part). Thankfully, I have rarely had the need to replace any motherboard from ABIT.Alyx - Tuesday, August 7, 2007 - link
I must agree, it is their choice. Personally I skip most articles too, I read the first and last pages and maybe glance at charts. Its mostly just to keep me informed.If I'm buying though I read every word. Devil's in the details.
ATWindsor - Tuesday, August 7, 2007 - link
"While performance is important, does a few tenths of second or an additional two frames per second in a benchmark really mean that much when you cannot get a USB port working due to a crappy BIOS release or your system does not properly recover from S3 sleep state when you are set to record the last episode of the Sopranos? "I couldn't agreee more, the main thing is that the board works, miniscule performance-differnces comes far behind in importance.
AtW
Mazen - Tuesday, August 7, 2007 - link
The timing of this article couldn't be better. I really look forward to see what you guys have to say. Question is, how long do we have to wait before we can read it (yes, impatient!). I'll contribute coffee!JarredWalton - Tuesday, August 7, 2007 - link
Word on the street is Gary will have the first part posted within the next week. Beyond that... guess we'll see.Mazen - Thursday, August 9, 2007 - link
Woooo Hoooo! Can hardly wait for next weekAlyx - Tuesday, August 7, 2007 - link
Where in the world did you find these? I see newegg has the lower end Swan stuff but I couldn't seem to find any retailers that sold these speakers.Must be to new?
Alyx - Tuesday, August 7, 2007 - link
nvm. Looks like The Audio Insider is the only place to carry them that I can find. Didn't realize that they sold speakers (Based on the name I thought they did reviews).http://www.theaudioinsider.com/product_info.php?pr...">http://www.theaudioinsider.com/product_info.php?pr...
Bozo Galora - Tuesday, August 7, 2007 - link
OMG!! Reviews that reflect actual "in use" reality??
Reviews that dont fear to tread on alienating a manufacturer that ADVERTISES on AT??
Articles where the reviewer is not terrified that the vendor will cut them off from free samples and insider info??
No more hand selected or engineering sample salivating previews????
Are you saying after 8 years of "we are sure the next bios release (due out in 2 days) will fix everything", you are finally breaking free???
This is unprecedented.
Who woulda thunk it.
Will wonders never cease.
It may even start a trend - ha
sprockkets - Tuesday, August 7, 2007 - link
Do any of the tuner cards you tested allow you to record Xvid and mp3? My leadtek did but some other programs for other tuner cards didn't allow you to use the direct show codecs directly.Also, does vista in general not allow you to use the CDROM/AUX input on the sound card? I have a Foxconn nForce 4 board with onboard audio, and when using Vista on it, it decided I didn't need the cdrom audio input anymore, but kept all the others. I can't use the Leadtek tuner card because that is how it outputs audio. Thanks Microsoft!